In Episode five, AFL Coaches CEO Mark Brayshaw chats Denis Pagan who was inducted as the 2018 PwC Coaching Legend at the Shadforth Financial Group AFL Coaches Awards on Tuesday 25th September. Pagan's career includes playing stints with North Melbourne and South Melbourne in the VFL, as well as coaching appointments with the North Melbourne Under-19s, Essendon reserves, and head coaching jobs with the North Melbourne and Carlton football clubs. In the podcast,Pagan discusses everything from the honour of being named as a Coaching Legend, the infamous 'Marshmallow Game' against Essendon (48:25), to some pearls of wisdom from the late Ron Casey before the 1996 finals series (49:35), a 'sliding doors' moment in his career (7:10), his coaching style, and much more.